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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 25, 2012 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

As I have said so often before, DD, my older brothers and friends all agreed to a person that live CREAM shows had no comparison, and they'd seen Jimi and the Who at Monterey, and everything else from 65-70...At the risk of repetition, ahem, they put Moby Grape at the top of SF bands, with Quicksilver second, but felt none of the No Cal sorts really held a candle to CREAM. I never agreed with them, of course, and only became a CREAM fanatic the past few yrs...ironically.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 26, 2012 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

And also, many guys in the SF bands felt they didn't hold a candle to Cream either. Casady & Kaukonen of course said often how awed they were when Cream came through town; and Hendrix was also a big admirer. These were guys who knew about playing loud rock/blues jams, so I think their admiration means something.

There is a distinction to make, though - there are many testimonies as to what an awesome experience it was to see Cream live, being flattened by the volume etc - so I think it must have been more impressive to see them live, when it was new & loud & surprising, than to hear them today.
Also, as many Cream bootlegs prove, they played many shows that were better than the officially released shows. The live Cream albums are good examples of what they did, but not the best.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 27, 2012 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

Ain't it the truth? That Oct 67 show is soooo good. Too bad it wasn't released...The first four tunes are just killer (ie, I prefer the NSU/SWine from that night over any others, not too mention ToBU, and the rest as we've discussed).

FWIW, the older brother (other's passed on) has had a chance to hear all the shows (via what I've sent along) and says that after all these yrs he wouldn't change a single glowing comment from 67 & 68 when he was so impressed. Again, he was very much involved in the "scence", having friends that played in smaller Bay Area bands, and they were v critical of all the SF groups (not unlike our reviewers above, perhaps), but never a bad word for CREAM. He has much more varied musical interests than I do, so I am impressed that it has remained so consistent--not just a case of "those were the days" (no pun intended).

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 26, 2012 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

I think we both have been involved in a similar thread a while back . I am not as big a fan as you, but I think Cream's live stuff has been underrated for years . Those faults/qualities are there , but man they don't GET IT ! Too bad for them .
I think Cream got blamed for being the instigators of the extended jam, thing in rock ,that most critics have little patience for , and anti-improv , became sort of an article of faith for the New Wave/Punk era .

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 26, 2012 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

It's interesting that you're a Cream-head at all - if I remember right, you're mainly into classical & jazz (as well as the Dead), so in theory you'd be the kind of listener who'd not be too impressed with Cream's loud jams.
Not that any of us can be pigeonholed into a genre, though. Probably key to anyone's getting into the Dead is the ability to like a variety of musical approaches.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 26, 2012 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Serious question for musically inclined sorts...DEAD/nonDEAD

Heh heh, I can like the heavy loud stuff ( a 68-69 Other One can get pretty damn intense, vulgar, and loud !) . When I was really getting into Rock in the early 70's , i liked the powerful , loud, bands like Cream, Hendrix, The Who ( think Live at Leeds ) , and I even loved Black Sabbath for "tuned lawnmower" sound . Later I liked some of the Punk stuff, to some extent ( love the Ramones ) . At the same time i liked the all the other great folks of the time that were not as noisy , Beatles, Moody Blues, Dylan,The Dead etc . As to Cream's loud jams, I grew up with them !
People like Zappa, King Crimson, and the like lead me to Classical , and Jazz took me a little later to get into, and The Dead would have been a prime influence that way . One of the things that makes Coltrane an easier step for someone who grew up on Cream, and Hendrix, is that Ginger Baker and Mitch Mitchell, both went to the Elvin Jones school of drumming !
Lets see, I like Blues, Country, Folk, Jazz, Rock n Roll, Classical, World Music, ... sounds like I might like the Grateful Dead ! I like the sophistication, and eloquence, of what they did with Bird Song, and the simple soulful gutbucket of a good Big Railroad Blues . Sometimes the Grateful Dead is like being at a strange banquet, where you are served, a series of dishes, all, different , that somehow go together . Like having, ribs, a Jack In the Box taco, some steamed vegetables, some fried chicken, a gourmet soup, sushi, corn-dogs, Thai food, well prepared fish , and mac and cheese ...